In Northern Calif they "most Honda dealers" want around $3,900-$4,500 OTD price and I will not buy one at that price. I'm number 7 at one place in Sunnyvale Calif I slide down from number 12 since most buyers are bailing from the Sunnyvale dealer since the sales person wants $4,100 OTD. I told the sales person yesterday that I found one out in the valley "90 miles" from where I live for $3,700 OTD and he said he will see what he can do. The other dealer is out in Hollister Calif about 37-41 miles from my house and they are selling their GROMS for $3,600 OTD price and I'm like number 5 on their list but it is hard for most Honda dealers to get the GROM. One dealer in San Jose area won't give a quote for OTD price since they are afraid they might lose you as a customer.Cisco...I saw you sitting on the very first one, man! What happened? Still working on the SL? Wish I still had mine. Forkseal...that Yosh looks cool! Loud, huh? I wonder if it sounds like my Tyga?