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I'm switching over to Antigravity Batteries which are lithium-ion batteries when the stock Honda Grom battery dies

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Thanks.... but thats not what I asked ;)

Ive had far too many customers with issues related to AntiGravity.

Ive sold over 50 Shorais without a failure yet, I want to get them in stock in the appropriate Grom size.
 

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Thanks.... but thats not what I asked ;)

Ive had far too many customers with issues related to AntiGravity.

Ive sold over 50 Shorais without a failure yet, I want to get them in stock in the appropriate Grom size.
thats what i use now im my big bike and ruckus, you plan on doin a special on the battery? im assuming its going to be the one out of my cbr1k as well thats what is in the ruck
 

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Thank you sir! Chris.... yup Ill have a Shorai special for the Groms. That will be a nice 3 or 4 lb weight savings!
 

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Thanks.... but thats not what I asked ;)

Ive had far too many customers with issues related to AntiGravity.

Ive sold over 50 Shorais without a failure yet, I want to get them in stock in the appropriate Grom size.
Can you PM me the issues that is related to the AniGravity batteries that customers are having.

We have used them on our Hayabusa motorcycles some of the Busa's are for everyday street riding and some are for land speed record and such and we have had zero issues with those batteries. We have had riders who have stored their Hayabusa over the winter time with these batteries and with no trickle charging it will start their Busa up in the spring time.

Remember these are Lithium batteries and in the cold Temps you must first turn on your ING and not start the bike but let the battery come up to working temp before turning over your engine, this applies only to riders in cold temp/winter riding.

Can't go wrong with 3-year warranty

I had worst luck with YUASA batteries on my busa, on my 98 TL-1000R and on my 89 GSXR-1100 and even in my 88 VLX-600.
 

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Thanks.... but thats not what I asked ;)

Ive had far too many customers with issues related to AntiGravity.

Ive sold over 50 Shorais without a failure yet, I want to get them in stock in the appropriate Grom size.
what sort of issues?
 

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what sort of issues?

Yep the person can't backup their claim about the antigravity battery problems. Like I said a lot of my racer friends are using antigravity batteries with ZERO problem so far and like I posted in the Cold weather/climate areas of the world the antigravity battery has to come up to working temperture before you start you motorcycle, jetski, or what ever. Most of the motorcycle riders are using the 12-cell antigravity battery.

For the record I'm not a racer or off road motorcycle rider but I have friends who are racers and land speed record junkies on the Hayabusa. I have talked to the antigravity owners at Laguna Seca and they seem to be on the up and up.

here is the link from the cut and paste with all the mud slinging between a couple of members of that website.
http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/th...-the-world-for-a-450-four-stroke.17292/page-3

here is a cut and paste

While I can appreciate your "low-price" view point... I think you are a bit mis-informed Krieg...I am a battery manufacture and just so you understand "low-price" is not everything, though it is definately an incentive for some consumers. The fact is Shorai builds the batteries in China and uses a vastly less expensive cell than we do.. my company is Antigravity Batteries . Additionally the labor is much cheaper...I also understand you saying that you don't like a shrinkwrapped battery thinking this leads to breaking... In fact it doesn't though a plastic case is more protection and looks nicer.. so for the average rider that is appealing... Also FYI the Shorai is not out of stock due to demand... they are out of stock because they had a few problems and pulled the batteries... they have had some problems...

I will try to give you guys a break down of batteries honestly... There are two forms of battery cells....Shorai offer a Prismatic cell which is the square cell wrapped in foil and incased in the plastic case, and we offer the A123 Systems 26650 Cylindric Cells which are incased in a metal cylinder then shrink wrapped. Though both these chemistries are Lifepo4, their characteristics are quite different. The Prismatic Cell offers a longer amp hour rating while the Cylindric form offer much more power in Cold Cranking Amps... So for example we make a battery that is 1" wide x 4" long x 3.25" tall.... that is HALF the size of the smallest Shorai yet puts out 120 Cold Cranking Amps...So that tiny battery makes more power than of Shorais smaller batteries yet is half the size....Then if you go up to our 16-cell battery it is almsot 2" smaller than the Shorai yet puts out 480 Cold Cranking Amps a FULL 200 CCA more than Shorais largest battery yet in a much smaller package and starts 2200cc (140 Cubic Inch), 220 horsepower high compression Drag bikes. So consumers should weigh what they are looking for in performance and riding style. What do you want Cranking Amps in the smallest package possible using a know performing cell , or longer Amp Hours in a nicer package...Its the Consumer choice which is great.

IF you've read Shorai claimes in thier FAQ about their LFX technology as having pedigree and used in submarines and stuff... try calling them and asking them who manufacture is... they do not have a pedigree... there is no such thing as a Shorai cell or the company Shorai offering a cell to the big companies of the world. But if you Google A123 Systems you will see they have contracts with Toyota, Ford, GM... have been used in Hybrid buses and vehicles all over the world... It has been tested by NASA, had had hundreds of independant lab tests and proven it worth in industry across the world. So when you talk of a cell with Pedigree and power and reliability the A123 cell is supreme. It is a technology developed at MIT and licensed from there http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A123_Systems

This was just to point out that some of us making batteries are using a more expensive cell and building in the USA and that is why the price is higher.... Not because we are just jacking up the cost... Antigravity is more expensive than MOTY, but we feel we go beyond what the others are doing and doing a better build with multiple spot weld points, silconing all the tabs.. brass terminals, an thicker battery tabs to get the most power and longevity out of the battery. So we are more than MOTY and less than Full Spectrum... Full Spectrum also uses A123 Systems stuff.

Now as far as other shrink wrapped batteries or manufactures batteries breaking keep in mind a couple things. Many of the manufactures that were making thes batteries were buying used batteries and building these packs... there was no really good source for the true A123 Systems cells. So many were getting by with farming them from drill packs or ordering them off the internet and building packes...crappy packs for sure so I can understand that frustration. But don't believe that a shrinked wrap battery is going to fail... we in fact are being used by the Factory Support KTM team in the AMA SX series J-start/JDR Motorsports... we do not sponsor them... They chose to use us after extensive testing... Why? Because we offer the smallest battery they could use that delivered the best performance. So if it can handle SX I'm not to worried about it breaking... Also we are in this months Transworld MX and you will see we offer a foam case for the battery...

Anyway I really didn't want to spam... just wanted to explain the difference so people could understand... My goal is just to inform people so they can make a choice.

If anyone has any questions I will answer regardless of what battery you choose.
 

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^^ You obviously have a vested interest, like an employee or owner of the company.

I own and run a motorcycle shop that has 35 bikes in for service right now, I dont have time to e-battle you about blatant manufacturing, quality control and customer service issues. Have a good one.
 

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Correct...the battery for the MSX is the Yuasa YTZ5S. Check out this video (5:57 for battery):

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Guys,

We need to make sure we keep any debates clean and free from slinging mud at names. If he has had a certain experience, he is entitled to tell us if he would like. Cmon man.

Can't we all be friends?
 

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Guys,

We need to make sure we keep any debates clean and free from slinging mud at names. If he has had a certain experience, he is entitled to tell us if he would like. Cmon man.

Can't we all be friends?
We can all be friends, he owns' a motorcycle shop, I don't. I'm sure he has a lot more experience with selling motorcycle parts such as batteries, tires and such and seen the return rate of these new hi-tech batteries.

I'm sure being from southern Calif he would know Bombay Motorsports or at lease most of the Hayabusa riders know Bombay Motorsports.

I wish Sikmoto the best in the future in his company.

As for information I'm a IT person that has worked with a lot of computer equipment from the early IBM mainframe, Vax-Digital equipment, Rolm military equipment, down to the modern Apple Mac product, Microsoft products, Cisco systems switches/hub and network equipment and have traveled most of the far east.

I too would like to know more about these new batteries and the more information I get good or bad will make me decide what brand of batteries I would buy in the future as for now and knowing what my hayabusa friends and racers are using is pointing to the anti-gravity.

my hayabusa and my mini pincher, the Hayabusa is the big brother GROM


my hwy 9 northern Calif mountain curve eater
 

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Battery is the YTZ5S. The Grom is the first bike n the US to use this battery. So we had to order some in for the dealers. They should be here soon. Hopefully you don't need one yet, but if you are having problems, feel free to call me. Alan Kohler - Yuasa Battery Inc. 1-866-431-4784. Ext. 164, or email. [email protected]
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